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Hey Frostys: Here is a link to a short reply I did to another member asking approx. the same question. This is a shorter version of a long post I did some time back [you may be able to search for it], about how humans “see” color and how the male – female color cones see color differently. Look it up, may be interesting reading. But the short of it is said in the other reply’s color isn’t going to be supported by Ebay as a reason for INAD or u get a neg. You may take the item back on the grounds that you you want every customer to be satisfied but not at your expense. They request for a return, they get a label, they pay for the return, you credit the initial amount and then you list and resell.
Here is the short link. Armed with this type of info. not many reps or supervisors know how to combat it.
>> https://www.scavengerlife.com/forums/search/yellow+and+blue
Good luck…
Mike at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
Thanks Sharyn:
Here is a link to a good overview of the Pantone System and how it got it’s start and when. It is a quick read of about 1 page in length.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone#Pantone_Color_Matching_System
Of course when in art school we had to take the Joseph Albers color course and the follow up color design classes which all was way more than a quick read. Albers was a graduate of Yale [I believe] and developed a system of the interaction of red. By using certain colors for backgrounds, then certain smaller areas of spot colors artists can make the color of the smaller area “change or alter” color for the viewer. Of course as I have also explained in earlier posts here on SL there is variances in the way humans, both male and female, even see color. The Pantone CMYK series proves that.
Here is the link to a one page over view of Joseph Albers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_AlbersMike at MDC Galleries & Fine Art in Atlanta
Yes they do have value. I have one right here beside me that I was going to list today. It is dated 2000-2001. As long as they have been kept out of sunlight and used very little they don’t fade off to bad. But some colors especially ones with any red in them are unstable anyway and will begin to fade off just on it’s own. I was in printing for 35 years and yes, we replaced often.
This one I have is a fan out style and has both gloss and matte inks, basic solid colors [approx. 750-800 of them] and hexachrome, the PMS process colors and flourescent and metallics [silver and gold] in the back and the formulas for printers to mix these colors using a digital scale. The flourescent and metallics are the worst in terms of fading as they age. New, these fan out Pantone Color Mixing Guides run for about $75 to $95. Other styles and editions with the small perforated tear out swatches that many designers used to use to attach to their mechanicals in the old days run higher in cost.
I also have some other items left over from my printing days that I will be pulling out and listing.
Just some Pantone info. for the group.
Mike at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
From a financial stand point it makes sense for the second store when the amount of listings accumulate to an amount that is equal to the new premium store costs. BUT… the new store will not have any feed backs, no reviews or nice things said about you, your products or service. You will have sales limits to what Ebay will allow you to list with regards to dollar sales amounts and things like that. Tese things have been talked about before if you do a search here on SL forum and older blog about a second store.
These things J&R ran into when they first opened up there 2nd store. But they can be overcome with a few phone calls, and time of course. You can also buy things from your second store to bump it up with some feed backs, though buyer feed backs.Now as far as getting items unlisted from the first store and moved into the second store, for me, that is about a 2 to 3 minute process. That is because we have used WonderLister for years and others use SixBit. Either of these programs will do something like that injust a few minutes. All I would do is go to my active listings, review my list of items, click / highlight which ones I want to move into my new store. Then click on end the highlighted listings. Then those auto appear in my just unlisted-unsold folder. There they are still highlighted. Then all I would do is high light my second store name [WL allows up to 5 stores-ID’s I believe with my Silver Subscription level – $25 a month] and then click re-list and in a few minutes they are all relisted in the new store. Part of the beauty of an offline secondary inventory management software.
Mike at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
Uncle Taco .. Retro Teasures is spot on. You don’t is the short, direct answer to the question.
Jay started a section here on the forum Title Ways Ebay Can Improve. Check it out. This is just one of many suggestions posted there about ways to improve and having a larger amount of store tiers is one of them. The jump between 1,000 and 10,000 is huge. We will come up on 1,000 listings in a few weeks and nothing we can do except wait until we hit enough paid for listings over the 1,000 mark to equal out to what the anchor store costs. [Don’t forget you get a discount if you subscribe to your store on an annual basis]. I think Jay says that Ebay still bills you monthly but you have agreed to a full 12 months so you don’t have to pay the total amount at one time.
Using the Ebay fee calculator we need to be at approx. 3,400 monthly listings before it says to jump to the anchor store but 3,300 listings says to stay at our current Premium Store level and a cost based on those variables one has to put into the calculator our store costs would be $807 a month and the Anchor Store would be $807 a month but allow 6,700 more listings. So many sellers would love to see Ebay implement a couple of more tiers of stores like 2,500 and 5,000 or even just one more level at 5,000. Anything that would split up the jump between 1,000 premium to the 10,000 anchor store. But guess Ebay counts on those extra FVF on the overage listings on that “void” in between the tiers.
At these levels it would make sense to evaluate the “two store” concept until the amount of listings got really close to the 10,000 anchor level.
Just thinking out loud in reply to your questioning .. no deep analysis.
Mike & Susan at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
I just got a thought that made me laugh again.
Did you ever see one of the Chevy Chase vacation movies where the Griswold family was going to “Wally World”? They showed a scene of Clark and his wife standing beside the “Grand Canyon” and he turns his head left, center and then to the right. Bounces his head up and down a couple of times, says, something like Yep, yep, yep, …”Let’s go”.! Three seconds to take in the view of the grand Canyon. Well, look up, stare, say, Yep, Yep, Yep and you got it.
By the way if you put on the glasses a couple of minutes before the “total” part and leave them on for several minutes after, you will never even see it get dark around you. You have to take the glasses “off” to look around to see it dark around you.
I’ll be thinking of you and Ryanne on Monday and you will think of me on our back deck and hear these words in your mind, “Yep, Yep, Yep!!”… LOL ha ha 🙂 🙂 🙂
Mike and Susan at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
We have had and also have seen a few members here having several retracted – change of mind bids, offers and purchases. Most come with some sort of explanation of “Oh I didn’t mean to hit the buy button, or Sorry my son bought this without my permission [sure a 1920’s hurrican oil lamp bought by your son??], Oh, I want to cancel because I just found one cheaper, etc., etc. It doesn’t happen often but enough, and many of the SL members I am sure have had some also. I think most of us, just say, OK, tell them to thier dashboard-account and request a cancel and we will accept right away. No harm, no foul.
Remember their are “MILLIONS” of active searchers, on Ebay at any one moment and at some point someone is going to screw up or do something in error, or maybe as you say a “joke”. In any case, tell to cancel, you accept and done with it. If You have already shipped, then again, tell them to just go cancel, state the reason as change of mind, you agree and accept and done.
The big problem comes to all of us is when the buyer tries to trump up a reason to “blame” us as sellers for thier change of heart or error, so they can get out of paying the return shipping. That is another story.
Mike & Susan at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
Steve: Watch all of the reruns on H&I TV every night which I usually fall asleep at some point. From the first series with Kirk and Spock through the last series.
Funny: 7 of Nine is the seventh in a mini-cluster of nine which was then part of the larger collective..”the Borg”. The toughest enemy Capt. Pickard ever faced. [toughest for Kirk was Kahn].
So you comment made me think of Jay & Ryanne and us as Scavenger Followers.
People [initial buyers], “assimilate” goods, then as parts are worn out, out grown, or become of no use, they discard or replace those parts, then as Scavengers, we come along and acquire, then “Re-assimilate” those parts into our mini scavenger collective. We as Scavengers that follow J&R are then a mini-collective of the larger “Scavenger Life Collective” [the J&R Borg]. Once “Assimilated into our Inventory System” then the item has now become part of the “whole again”. We sell back to the “Main Collective” = “Original – end users”. At this point the “Assimilated Part” has become part of the overall “Collective” again until the “Collective” then decides to cast it off and hopefully the process starts all over again.
J&R as “the Scavenger Borg”… now that’s funny.
Mike at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
I am with you Retro T: Wife and I went to Savannah around 1970-1971??. Drove 3.5 hours there.. went to the beach on a short side street. We hung around for about 20 minutes, it started to get grey and evening-twilite like, then in about 1 minute got dark enough for the street lights to come on. Then it was night light dark for about 2 to 3 minutes. We looked through dark film devices then it started to get lighter. After 6 to 8 minutes or so the lights were off and it was light again. We then got in the car and left. Another 3.5 hour trip back to Atlanta. So 6 to 7 hours on the road for about 5 minutes of night time. Not worth the long drive in the least.
Were the best part came was looking at all the neat photos in National Geographic, Life Magazine [back then] and NASA Time Lapse videos and photos. Much better than real time viewing.
And this is the third Solar eclipse for my wife and twice for me. We will get a partial here at the house in North Atlanta. Going out on our back deck is about as far as I am willing to go. I am more interested in continuing to list items online than an eclipse.After all the travelers have done this long trip to find a perfect spot, when it is over, I bet the response will be… eeehh, so what, big deal. But that is just my opinion. Once in a “lifetime event”, no big deal. In reply to Jay, after 10 years all you will be able to say is you saw an eclipse one time. That and $.50 will get you a half of a cup of coffee.
Now if I could fake out some world leader and predict this ahead of time, then stand in front of them and wave my hands in the air and convince them I had some magical power to make the heavens do my bidding then I could capitalize off of their ignorance, now we are talking. In Today’s world, I am more interested in where Voyager is, and if anybody in the universe will ever find it and then respond. Now that will be a real eye opener.
If anybodt spends $500 on travel, lodging, gas, wear and tear on their car for 120 seconds of just seeing it get dark [that is $4.16 per second, then have at it. Rather buy inventory with that money. But guess I am just a hum bug… Happy two minutes of darkness you guys.
Mike at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
Yep.. Great find and sale on that Coleman Lantern. Never even seen one before even though I know to keep an eye out for old Coleman products. You would think that some would pop around Atlanta now and then considering that North Georgia is the chicken capital of the USA. Perdue, Tyson brand among many others are all located in Northern Georgia and there are plenty of chicken houses around. One would think that some of those lanterns would still be found at some of the old farm and barn auctions we go to. But never seen any.
Great price on it.
mike in Atlanta
Same for us. Tried to opt inlast week but got put on “the wait list”.
We have always had same day or 1 day shipping and never missed it. So we will be good in that dept. We do have a 20% re-stocking fee and like Jay will wait and see how this all shakes out. But if we have to drop it no big deal. Only had 3 or 4 returns and 3 breakages since 2002 so no real problem I would guess.
mike at mdc galleries in atlanta
Hey Ninja Bob: Well, if I heard things right on posts coming from Ebay Open, they would like all of us sellers to have 60-90 returns and to drop a re-stocking fee anyway. If they are going to be like what you ran into, we might as well go ahead and beat the Ebay release and just change to 60 or more returns and drop any re-stocking fee.
I guess another way of looking at it if we apply a 20% re-stocking fee, then in essence we are only giving the buyer an 80% refund. If Ebay is going to play the let’s be like Amazon game, which it looks like we are headed full bore down that path, we might as well just beat them to the punch.
Back a few years ago, everyone on SL, J&R included, made statements that a restocking fee may also discourage some people from returning stuff and that was in addition to easing the burden on us sellers somewhat. Well, that is not much of Ebay’s concern now. It is just make the buyer happy at all costs so they will continue to use the Ebay platform to buy.
I will re-read all the Ebay Open notes and if that is what they are suggesting, then maybe I’ll just drop the re-stocking fee anyway. What little returns I get, even if they are false, are few and far between. Our biggest loss of merchandise at our former booths, was my wife Susan “butt Bumping” things and knocking them off and breaking. We have thrown out more stuff also since closing those booths that compared to “Returns” that is minor. It is called “shrinkage”, take it and keep going I guess.
Mike at MDC Galleries in Atlanta
Boy you said a mouthful and can I totally relate. I have multiple work stations in our office, each with it’s own scale, and computer. A laptop is turned on at one station, a desk top at another which has TWO Monitors connected. All three screens going, multiple tabs open, 11 tabs currently open, along with Outlook pulling in emails from 6 email accounts, then Quicken open with 8 different accounts showing and I bounce between all of that constantly. Then wife Susan doing photography and we also have a helper for 3 hours a day 5 days a week.
If I only had 3 heads and 6 hands I would be fine. This is why WorthPoint really helps. I just pop over to the right side screen, drop in a search term and bingo. Then I can also cut and paste if I find a great description already composed in one of the WP listings.
Now.. just add a glitch that happens in one of your software apps and you are on the phone trying to work out the “problem” and one can have a real full day really quick.
But boy do I love.Keeps me young!! LOL 🙂
mike at mdc galleries in atlanta
I am like Steve. We got a subscription many years ago for $14. They have been pushing the upgrade to us at $20 a month for a couple of years now, but we have stayed at this level. I believe you can read them online but you have to have the upgraded subscription, not an older one like we and Steve have.
mike
