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Sharyn.
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05/23/2018 at 11:56 am #40816
I have a beautiful figurine of a man and two women in Victorian dress. It’s very delicate, so delicate that it was damaged while being transported to me. I was given it for free, so I can’t really complain.
I’m trying to figure out the hallmark, which shown in the 3rd & 4th imgur photos below. The hallmark looks like a crown with the letter T underneath, although I thought it was a 7 when I first took a look. I searched through Desden because of the similarity to those hallmarks plus the figurine is within the style of those makers. I also flipped through all the hallmarks with crowns in Kovel’s. I’ve tried “crown T hallmark” and similar searches in Google.
I wouldn’t be so concerned with the maker except that this is a damaged piece and the price I can ask might be pretty low because of the damage (although, from the front, the damage is not that evident). If the maker is desirable, then I can ask for something much more reasonable.
I will be selling this local pickup only. I don’t need to damage it any more through shipping.
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05/23/2018 at 3:53 pm #40837
That mark seems really blurry — is it definitely a complete “T” or could it be a partial “D” or other letter?
I’m a generalist, without specific knowledge, but I think that this kind of thing is called “Dresden Lace.”
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05/23/2018 at 3:57 pm #40840
Yes, it is blurry, and it could be incomplete.
I can use those key words, maybe with the word “style”.
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05/24/2018 at 7:35 am #40894
Sharyn:
Don’t know if this is any help or not.
I did some looking yesterday on just our “marks” reference guides. Even did a crown plus a letter breakdown and didn’t see anything close. But Habnab mentioned Dresden Lace and I did do some drilling on that. Yes found about 63 figurine sold posting on WorthPoint that look very similar in “style”. Even the base gold detailing is similar. But only one showed any type of marking and it had the Dresden mark which includes the word “Dresden”. But there are also some very close look alikes mixed in that group with other names one being Ardalt Japan. There is also an Enesco but very low price on most Enesco stuff.
Italy, France and germany were all mentioned in various titles. Even one with Capodimonte in one.
If I think of any other mark reference sources other than the ones you mention, which we also use, I will re-post. Hate these types of close but no cigar types of references. Do you have a $27 item or a $270 item. All references have some similar chareristics but none are a dead for sure match.
Repeating and older SL post.. Describe as if there are no photos, photograph as if there is no verbal description, price it high as a kite and then take offers and see what you get back. So, go fishing in other words.
Good luck…
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05/24/2018 at 8:00 am #40897
Mike – Thanks so much for looking it up. I’ve found other items where I can’t trace the hallmark. I guess it must have been a smaller company that wasn’t in business for too long.
Here’s what happened. Based on the damage, I listed the figurine for $59 last night and went to sleep. Overnight, I received messages from four different people asking about shipping, and one person bought it full price. The person who bought it is from Georgia (the country, not the state that you happen to live in). She/he wants me to bring it to a shipping company in Delaware. That’s not going to happen.
Obviously, I priced it too low, and I should have taken international shipping off. Since this issue with a foreign buyer hasn’t worked out too well, I’m going to call eBay when they open and have the sale cancelled. Also, the buyer doesn’t seem to realize that they haven’t actually paid for it yet, so I think that will help my cause.
I’ll then list it (next week after the holiday) at a higher price, no international, and better instructions on local pickup.
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05/24/2018 at 8:50 am #40907
Sure thing.
I have had buyers email me after either they bought one of our items or we accepeted their offer and in both caes after they paid they then sent an email stating some type of “after sale condition”. The advice I got from Ebay after I called several times is that buyers can not attach-place after purchase demands or conditions onto a sale. In those cases Ebay told me to email them and tell them that and ask them if they want us to cancel the sale because we are not going to comply with the after sale requests or let the sale go. And tell them you are waiting for their reply-instructions. If by my regular shipping time, then ship it as normal.
I have used this response several times since then when buyers also want to change the address to ship to after the Sale is done. Nope, we only ship to confirmed PayPal or Ebay addresses and remind them it is against Ebay regulations to change the conditions of the sale after the fact. Either cancel the sale or ship as stated. If they want to cancel, then go change their address then come back and rebuy that will be fine.
I know some of the SL members will just ship to the new address as long as in writing, but we don’t.
Yeah .. that was also too low, based on all of the WorthPoint Sales I was seeing. Even if not a Dresden.
Then bring it some where for them!!! Sure, we will impose a $75 delivery charge, then I will deliver it for them. HaHaHa…
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05/24/2018 at 9:56 am #40914
I cancelled the sale. I selected “something wrong with seller’s address” per eBay’s suggestion.
Here’s what I was thinking of doing. I’ll raise the price to $199 or best offer. I’ll state that any offer has to come with a statement that they are local and will do a pickup.
If someone wants me to bring it to a shipper, then they have to pay full price. The shipper has to be within my local area (or I’ll consider your $75 delivery charge!).
What do you think?
While I have your ear, could you give me the price on Worthpoint for this item:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1892-a-c-brosius-tool-horn-cutters-antique-amishAnd, what do you think of my listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/183239390196-
05/24/2018 at 10:06 am #40915
It sold for $46.00, but that was in 2008. A fairly long time ago, unless there are more recent ones.
It had a wierd description… Here it is for the record.” STAND BACK BOYS ! THIS THING IS A MANS TOOL !!!
46″ LONG
WEIGHING IN AT 18 1/2 POUNDS
MANUFACTORED IN COCHRANVILLE PA.
DATED AUG 9 1892
HAND CARVED HANDLES.
HAND FORGED CAST IRON JAWS.
ORIGINAL BLADE.
FROM DOCTOR DOUREGHTY ESTATE HUNTING LODGE , WERE HANGING OVER FIREPLACE WITH 7′ PAIR OF BULL HORNS.
THESE ARE CUTTERS USED BY FARMERS TO KEEP THINGS SAFE FOR LIVESTOCK.
THESE ARE IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION. BOTH SIDE ARE MAKED IDENTICALLY.
NOTICE HANDLES HAVE DIFFERENT SHAPED KNOB ENDS , HAND CRAFTED.
GREAT RARE PAIR OF AMERICAN MADE CLIPPERS. BLADE IS STILL SHARP.
SURE DON’T MAKE THINGS LIKE THEY USED TO.
20 POUNDS HEAVY BRAWNY MAN TOOL !! “
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05/24/2018 at 10:12 am #40917
Yes, I did see that description!
I didn’t realize that the worthpoint information was so old. I did find another eBay sale (international) for $100 that was earlier this year:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Antique-Keystone-Dehorner-Dehorning-Clipper-Brosius-1892-H-Disston-Sons-Cattle-/202198752833I paid $25 for it, but I couldn’t do initial research because the description had the wrong spelling of the company name. I have it listed for $159 with make offer. I’d like to make at least $100 off of it, so $125 would be my goal. On the other hand, I don’t want it hanging around for too long, so we shall see.
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