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05/10/2017 at 9:59 am #17705
Hi everyone…
Just read the return policy for the update… a couple of questions about some specifics I hadn’t heard mentioned here or in the podcast.
In order to buy into better search results, you can’t charge a restocking fee. I was surprised to see this. I have been using a restocking fee for the past 6 months, first time, and it has been great for me. If I continue this, I cannot opt into the new return program? (or best seller status?)
Also, I use 30 day returns. I see they want you to offer 30 or 60 day returns. Do you get better search results when you offer 60 over 30 days? (not gonna happen here.)
And I thought fee shipping wasn’t necessarily imperative. It’s very unclear.
Anyone else taken off guard?
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05/10/2017 at 10:32 am #17708
Yep.. Got my email yesterday evening. Did a quick look over and bookmarked it for further review. Yes, I was surprised at some of the new upcoming changes so will go back and re-read in depth. I saw the comments about having to drop the 20% re-stocking fee and TRS status. Ebay just keeps pushing toward the Amazon model. Free shipping, no restock fees, returns done automatically, etc.
For those who did not get the email yet or who may not.. here is the link.
But as Jay and all of us always say, whining doesn’t help, we have to adapt or die. So onward and upward.
mike at mdc galleries in atlanta
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05/10/2017 at 10:33 am #17709
I don’t read it as offering best search. Only in increasing conversions – turning shoppers into buyers. They will highlight those features to standout out in the ad rather than having to look into the return details.
Similarly, it looks like they will soon start enforcing business policies. Which I think is long over due. This will keep all the payment, returns, and shipping information out of the product description and into it’s proper place.
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05/10/2017 at 10:51 am #17713
We opted into Business Policies a long time ago when they were first introduced. Comes close to SOP’s as far we are concerend which we like.
Agree about standardization. We have about 6 variations on shipping selections and just select the one that fits when we list. We have Standard payment and return policies also. These can all be accessed from dashboard and it shows which listings are covered by which policies if you need to take a look at which items are included.
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05/10/2017 at 5:27 pm #17744
Where does it say that you have to use Business Policies? I don’t see this in the update:
http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/seller-updates/2017summer/index.html?roken2=su.pU3VtbWVyIFNlbGxlciBSZWxlYXNl.bU1I=.g827.cem-
05/10/2017 at 6:10 pm #17746
http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/seller-updates/2017summer/listing-policy-updates.html
If you read into the listing policy updates where they are going to discourage putting payment, shipping and return policies within the description and instead using business policies.
Based on what I’m reading on the EB community forum, EB has is looking at resolving disputes based on what is in the return, payment and shipping sections of the listing and not what is described in the text.
For example, if seller puts no returns in the description, but the item, by accident or in error, has a return policy accepted. Seller will be held to the return policy.
Business policies will clean-up and standardize these issues.
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05/10/2017 at 6:21 pm #17748
I didn’t know that sellers could have free style policies that weren’t in the drop down choices on the listing page.
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05/10/2017 at 7:37 pm #17759
You create your own business policies then name them what ever you want to call them. After they are saved, those then are the ones that will appear in the drop down list for you to select over and over. If you have policies in your drop down box it is because at one time you may have opted in or tried the Business Policies and had Ebay create them for you. But those are all editable by you.
I create about four or five of my own, like one is named under sixteen ozs. Cal. ship. Then I clciked what shipping choices I wanted in that title for the buyer to see when I listed items under 16 ozs. i also have an easy one, called Free shipping light weight and one called heavy weight. I also have one called Oversized and heavy and show USPS and FedEx and UPS choices under those.
You can also create several payment options policies, shipping and return policies. I even created a link and put in my dashboard short cuts area so I can click on it and it takes me directly to my policy page where I can tweak or edit my policies.
Great time saver, creates standard operating practices for your business and they become your selections from the shipping drop down. Especially handy when using software like WonderLister. Click, select, and boom shipping for that item is done.
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05/10/2017 at 6:22 pm #17749
eComm: We have not started using Business Policies, but we use the same data listing by listing in each section (not the Item Description) under “Selling Details” for “Payment Options”, “Return Options” and the “Shipping Details”.
How do business policies differ, and what are the advantages? We use “Sell Similar” for every listing, so we know that these areas are already good every time, and we don’t even check on them anymore, except to change the shipping options and weight for each listing as needed.
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05/10/2017 at 6:41 pm #17751
The advantages are obvious. If you’re selling clothes, you can create a return policy that is very specific for that category and when you do your listing, you just select that policy. Need to make a change your return policy for the category, just edit the business policy. No need to redo each and every listing.
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05/10/2017 at 6:50 pm #17752
Hmm….We dont use Business Policies but we do use the drop down choices on the listing page so our policies are clear through eBay. There is no free style policies in our Description. I can understand how that is confusing to a buyer.
I cant imagine how they could force all sellers to only use Business Policies.
For us, we don’t sell homogenous items (like just dress shirts and iPhone cases).
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05/10/2017 at 7:16 pm #17757
Not sure what you mean by free style policies.
If you have Business Policy enabled, EB creates a business policy (payment, shipping, return) for each and every listing you create and attempts to consolidate them by removing duplicates. If you look at your business polices, you will find you may have hundreds of them already. Every time you make a change to a listing for these policies, it creates another.
The idea is to create a custom one that can be reused over and over without having to edit each listing.
Lets take for example changing handling time. I think your process today is that you bulk edit your listings. And you’re limited in the number of listing you can do at one time. With business shipping policy, all you have to do is edit the policy. If you only use one policy, one edit to the policy covers all of your listings.
Also note, I believe bulk edits are only for active listings. Business policy covers all listings. Active, ended and archived.
Lastly, all EB has to do is deny the listing if business policies are not set. For over a year, EB has been going back and forth with its requirements for business policies. First it would allow 1 of 3, then 2 of 3 then eventually now you need all 3 to be set.
Anyway, they have made it clear that this will eventually have to be done in their “Structured Data” sometime this year.
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05/11/2017 at 8:57 am #17798
Actually the business policies are super easy to use once setup and you don’t need that many. You can still set the dimensions and weight in the listing, so you can have a calculated shipping option that can cover many different scenarios. 1 Business policy can be used for a small item or a large item, if you’re using calculated. If you need multiple flat rates then that’s different.
So for example, if it were an item to go in a box, you could setup a policy called “Cardboard Boxes” and set your postage policy up with handling to accomodate your cost for boxes. Then for each item whack in the dimensions and weight, pick the Cardboard Box policy and off you go, rest is done for you, including your global shipping options.
We have very few policies setup and they manage to cover our entire inventory so far, with lots of unique porcelain items, clothing, jewellery and games. Nothing large enough for freight though.
500g ebay satchel
3kg ebay satchel
Padded Mailers
Mail Boxes
Free ShippingThose 5 policies cover all our shipping policy needs. Well 10 technically coz we also copied them with a No International shipping option, for items we can’t send internationally (ie. currency etc.)
We use 5 different size mail boxes at the moment and the policy covers all of them.
I would say the biggest advantage with using business policies is when it comes to making a change. When you guys go on holiday and adjust your handling times page by page at the moment, if you setup policies all you’d have to do is edit the policy handling time and it would automatically apply to all the listings that use it.
I too, originally thought that business policies were more catered towards high volume, commodity item sellers, but I sell unique preowned items and once I took the time to set it all up, I’m so glad I did.
It also made listing time a lot quicker, just pick your payment, postage and return policy from a list and you’re done.
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05/10/2017 at 8:13 pm #17764
So if I am understanding this correctly, we are already using “structured policies” in the listing, so I would think we are meeting what eBay is looking for…structured data for shipping, payment, and returns. We just are not using grouped customized “business policies”.
Also, am I reading all the info on the eBay site to mean that we set policies separately for each section? So we could have one business policy for returns, one for payment, and 10 for shipping?
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05/10/2017 at 8:19 pm #17768
Correct.
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05/10/2017 at 8:50 pm #17771
I agree with T-Satt that we’re already using eBay’s Structured Policies. I go to list an item. I choose in their drop down whether it be no returns, 5 day, 10 day, 30 day, etc. I choose how I want to ship the item: flat rate, calculated shipping, etc. All this data now lets eBay put me in their search algorithm appropriately.
“Free style policies” were the old days where you just wrote in your description what the terms were. There was no way for eBay to know what the policies were. Buyers would get confused because they could be hidden in lines and lines of confusing text.
I think what Larry at eCommerce411 is suggesting is that you can set common Business Policies that you can choose once on an item and it automatically knows all the details. This makes sense if you sell similar items that always have the same policies. Convenient for some, but not necessary. The Structured Data is what they are looking for unless you can point to a new rule where every item will have to be within a predetermined Business Policy.
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05/10/2017 at 10:00 pm #17780
http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/seller-updates/2017summer/listing-policy-updates.html
Paragraph 2 under Adopt listing best practices.
…Details about payment, shipping, or returns should be included in the structured data fields available for Business Policies…
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05/10/2017 at 11:07 am #17715
There is blurb about offering “less than full refund” if item is not in original sale condition. I want more details on that. I’m generally fine with free returns as long as I can set some standard rates and scenarios depending on what is wrong.
For instance, I have gotten shoes back that REEKED of cigarette smoke. I’d want to charge 20% miminum to cover the effort to remove the smell.
Generally there should be some sort of individual seller policy up front so the buyer doesn’t get blindsided with a less than full refund.
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05/10/2017 at 5:15 pm #17742
Yeah, their policy seems to contradict itself.
http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/seller-updates/2017summer/returns.htmleBay wants us to do free returns but:
“Starting this fall, sellers who offer free returns can decide if they want to offer less than a full refund in cases where an item is returned that is not in the same condition that it was in when you shipped it (e.g., a damaged item or an open-box return).”So how does a seller get to choose when to do a restocking fee? Won’t buyers be angry because they assumed it’d be free?
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05/10/2017 at 11:13 am #17718
I would suggest going to the EB Community Forum.
http://community.ebay.com/t5/2017-Summer-Seller-Update-User/bd-p/2017SummerSellerUpdate
This is a hot issue and tons of Q&A going on. Even EB reps are (for once) chiming in. You certainly should find your information there.
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05/10/2017 at 5:22 pm #17743
I feel this happens with every single eBay update. Everyone freaks out.
At the end of the day, we need to see exactly how these changes will affect us. It’s difficult to tell until they roll things out.
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05/10/2017 at 6:25 pm #17750
That would be a mistake. At the very least, sellers should start using business polices and edit out and reference to those from the description. Better to to it going forward than have your operations potentially stopped in it tracks when you’re forced into it.
For me it took some time and little trial and error in building mine to a point that worked for me.
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05/10/2017 at 10:51 pm #17782
The reason why I’m skeptical is that I see no highlighting of “Business Policies” on the newest version of the Seller DashBoard: https://www.ebay.com/sh/ovw
Am I overlooking it? How do sellers find this function if it’s going to be so important?
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05/10/2017 at 11:00 pm #17783
Click on Listings, and they are at the bottom of the left hand menu.
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05/10/2017 at 11:11 pm #17785
If you are still doing bulk edits to change your handling times, you may have business policies disabled. To enable them, go into account settings, upper left corner, select business policies. It should tell you that they are disabled and if you wish to enable them.
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05/10/2017 at 7:50 pm #17761
I didn’t even have the option to not have business policies! eBay told me I had to use them and changed my listing tool to only that option. I wish I’d known it was an “optional” feature, because I hated it! Still do!
My payment and returns policies are fixed and detailed. The shipping policies give me the most headaches! I constantly have to create new ones to deal with new issues or rates. And it’s not intuitive, like the old system. I liked that the old system gave me quotes on shipping so that I could select the best option. This one just shows shipping policies you’ve already created, or allows you to edit or create policies as you require. However, it doesn’t show what the policies are until you click into them. Waste of time that I begrudge most passionately!
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05/10/2017 at 10:20 pm #17781
You really shouldn’t have that many shipping policies.
I mostly use calculated shipping so the policies I have created up are:
First Class Shipping. (for <=16 oz)
FedEx SP/USPS Priority Mail (for >1 lbs)
FedEx SP (when I only want to offer this option)
Media Mail
Free Shipping
I have a couple additional variations of FedEx and USPS PM that have a $1 and $2 SH changing. These are for items that are heavier and may need additional packing material.
I also label the policies, (custom) SHIP Calc:USPS FC or (custom) SHIP Calc:USPS PM/FedEx SP $1SH
As for return policy I start with (custom) RETURN…
Payment Policy starts with (custom) PAYMENT…
Beginning with the parentheses assures my custom policies will display first in the list. And I can ignore all the other policies that EB has created on it own.
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05/11/2017 at 4:24 am #17792
For most of us, somewhere between 6 and 10 shipping policies should do it…
1. First Class/Priority Calculated
2. Priority Flat Rate Envelope.
3. Smart Post/Priority Calculated.
4. Media Mail
5. Fedex Ground
6. Free Shipping
7. Local Pickup.
Those cover over 90% of my listings. The problem comes in when you want to charge a handling fee. I try to build them into the price. My handling time and places I ship to is constant. I don’t automatically combine shipping, so that also helps.
I’ve found it makes listing much easier.
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05/11/2017 at 7:04 am #17793
Jay,
Your skepticism is well warranted. There is NO requirement to use “Business Policies” in the new update. I do not use them. What ebay IS saying (and not yet requiring, although I think we might want to consider this “foreshadowing” of a future requirement) is that information about shipping, returns, etc should NOT be in the listing’s item description area at all. Going forward, I’m no longer going to mention my return policy in the description area. But when I create a listing, I fill out the shipping and return information sections of the listing form (SixBit, in my case) which populates the tabbed Shipping and Returns portion of my listing…
The point ebay is making is simply that as long as you have filled out those areas, you don’t need to….and you really shouldn’t….duplicate or expand upon that in your description section. The real target here are those listings which still contain an old fashioned “TOS” (Terms of Service) , you know the kind of thing, varied fonts and colors, lengthy terms about feedback, returns , shipping….but as I say, I suspect eventually ebay will actually require that we stick to description only in the listing….so I’m going to start preparing for that now.
At least that’s my reading of the Summer Release.
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05/12/2017 at 5:25 pm #17923
So back to my original question… if 20% restock fee is in my business policy, is this going to hurt me in search results once the update goes into effect?
Jay and Ryanne.. do you still use, and will you continue to have, restocking fees?
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05/12/2017 at 5:43 pm #17925
Until I see that no one is buying because of our restocking fee, we’re keeping it. I want to see the new search and how it works.
And as someone mentioned above, there’s blurb about offering “less than full refund” if item is not in original sale condition. So we can not have an official restocking fee, but we can actual use one? Confusing.
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05/12/2017 at 5:33 pm #17924
LAWoman,
I don’t think a restocking fee is going to hurt you in general search results. It’s only IF the buyer uses the new search filter to limit the search to free return shipping listings that it will only effect you.
This is what the Announcement says:
To help you grow your sales and attract buyers, starting this summer we will increase exposure of free returns and 30-day or 60-day returns without restocking fees by:
Giving buyers options to search for and filter by these returns policies
Highlighting these returns policies when buyers visit your listings
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05/12/2017 at 6:42 pm #17928
Jay, The Summer Seller Update has scant information on this, but here is what it says:
Starting this fall, sellers who offer free returns can decide if they want to offer less than a full refund in cases where an item is returned that is not in the same condition that it was in when you shipped it (e.g., a damaged item or an open-box return).
Until ebay provides more details, the main thing I would note is that ONLY sellers who offer FREE returns will be eligible for this, (It is NOT really clear whether those sellers must offer free returns with no restocking fee or not) But there’s a distinction between this and a restocking fee: A restocking fee can be applied to ANY return, this only applies to items returned in a condition other than the shipped condition. So this isn’t really a substitute for a restocking fee. Also, note that the seller can OFFER less than a full refund….it’s not clear what happens of the buyer rejects the offer….there are a lot of details ebay still must provide…
Since this doesn’t take effect until the Fall, I see no reason to drop a restocking fee if a seller is using one now. (Unless one is concerned about the new free return filter)
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05/12/2017 at 6:49 pm #17929
Understood. We’ll see how eBay actually rolls it out.
We like the restocking fee. As a small seller, it helps manage costs of returns when people just change their mind.
From what I’m reading, it’d be nutty if eBay expected a 60-day return and free returns. That really is like Amazon where sellers just eat a chunk of bad sales.
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05/12/2017 at 8:40 pm #17935
Restocking fee, recently implemented, has been fine for me. Some buyers have been really graceful about it, acknowledge it, and still return for reasons like ‘doesn’t fit’ (on a pair of $400 boots, that was great!). Had one chargeback because I wouldn’t withdraw a restocking fee if returned because of size. Worth going to bat for… we’ll see.
Jay, I think for sellers who have those odd, one in a million, unusual quirky offerings ;)… a restocking fee makes sense, so far. I can’t believe I didn’t do it sooner.
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05/12/2017 at 8:44 pm #17937
I’ve had 30 day returns with free return shipping (no restocking fee) for several years now, and haven’t had a problem. However, I’ve also had very few returns. Should that change, I’m always willing to reevaluate my policy.
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05/13/2017 at 12:37 am #17943
The more specific the buyer’s search must be to FIND what they are looking for, the less like they are to click a bunch of filtering options. Plus, the mobile platform (40% of my recent sales) requires the buyer to open up more pages and drop down menus to set filtering. I still think many folks are just going to do a simple search, find and buy what they are looking for – at total price they accept. We may have to price closer to the “free shippers” with more common items, but more unique items will still sell with added calculated shipping, restocking fees, etc. – because someone wants one and you have it.
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