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Antique Frog.
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12/05/2020 at 10:50 pm #84020
I bought the contents of a closet as part of an online auction and found this little vase on one of shelves. I’m able to date it rather easily since its diamond hallmark is well documented on the web. It is ceramic, and the design was registered August 19, 1856. While it probably wasn’t made that year, it is from the 1800s. It is a nice shade of blue and has a hunting scene on it. Decoration looks similar to ironstone. Maybe it is ironstone? The vase has a big chip on the rim and a crack along the bottom, but, hey, it’s 150 years +/- old.
Anyway, my issue is price. I know that something old doesn’t mean it is valuable, but it should have some worth.
I haven’t found anything comparable on eBay or in my general Google searches. I mostly see porcelain items this old. Does anyone have any idea of price? Or, maybe there aren’t any because it is a fake? (Don’t think so, but it is always possible).
Any ideas?
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12/06/2020 at 4:54 am #84022
I think it may be a grocer’s pot for mustard or some kind of meat paste, produced by a pottery in England with a transfer-printed design. There’s a groove round the mouth where some string could be tied to hold a paper lid, and maybe the lid would have the grocer’s name printed.
The design looks to be done by lithography, not from a engraved copper plate. Those two-tone lithos came in about the 1850s.
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12/06/2020 at 8:40 am #84024
“meat paste” is not a very appetizing term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paste_(food)
In Britain, was this used in meat pies?
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12/06/2020 at 12:39 pm #84029
Urgh, no. Even Sweeney Todd wouldn’t do that.
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12/06/2020 at 10:41 am #84026
AF – Yes, I agree that it looks like it was originally used as a food container, but I had been thinking of it having a plug maybe made from cork. A paper lid makes more sense. A meat paste (however gross) makes sense given the hunting scene design; although, mustard is good with meat as well. I agree with it being a transfer type design, but I’ll take your word for the lithography vs copper plate.
So, when I search with the word “jar” instead of vase or bottle, I suddenly started coming up with matches. Here is one that sold recently for $25 (and it is in better condition), and others for sale in the $15 range. I was hoping for more, but it is what it is. I’ll have to research more on Prattware.
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12/06/2020 at 10:55 am #84027
It is a pretty piece. So cool its survived all these years. But as you said, just because its old doesnt make it valuable.
Its all about style, design, and trend. I remember when Ginger Jars because stylish about three years ago. Usually they’d be the junk left over at auctions. Though the trend is waning, we sold a handful of our ginger jars for over $100.
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12/06/2020 at 12:08 pm #84028
Yes, it is a cool piece, and I learned some interesting stuff. Antique Frog certainly knows much about items coming from his neck of the woods (and elsewhere).
I’ve listed it at $21, which is a bit high considering its condition. I wrote way too much in the description, but maybe that will help me sell it at the higher price.
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12/06/2020 at 12:53 pm #84030
Found the reference for the lithograph, section 27 of Bamber Gascoigne’s “How to identify prints”, Tinted Lithographs. Printed from two stones, with black ink on one and (typically) fawn-coloured ink on the other to give an impression of a background wash or tone.
Probably did have a cork- I had a Sharwoods ginger jar with a cork, but unfortunately it was missing the lid.
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