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04/15/2018 at 9:04 am #37643
I’m selling a leather biker vest that has patches on it for a Masonic organization. Got it at a yard sale.
I listed it last night and already received a message from an eBay member telling me that the vests are only for members of that organization, the patches on it belong to the organization, it is copyrighted, and it’s not for resale. He “kindly requests” that I find a member of the organization locally and return it to it’s “rightful place.”
The message was delicately worded and very cordial, but still makes me a little uncomfortable.
Anyone else have experience selling Masonic items? Have you had this kind of feedback or any problems?
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04/15/2018 at 9:32 am #37644
There are lots of Masonic patches for sale on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XMasonic+%26+Freemason+Patches.TRS0&_nkw=Masonic+%26+Freemason+Patches&_sacat=165547
We’ve sold all kinds of Masonic books, certificates, hats, etc.I think you just got a weirdo. What are your concerns?
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04/15/2018 at 9:49 am #37646
Agree with Jay. We too have sold masonic and Fraternal club items. Copyrighted doesn’t mean you can’t sell it, it just means you can’t reproduce it and make more of them, i.e. copy and mfg. for resale.
Every visual artist, painter, sculptor, photographer, musician in the world has copy rights to their material / art object as soon as they create it and sign it. But onces someone buys it, they can resell it for whatever amount they want. They own the art object BUT you can’t have Giclee prints, photograph it or repaint a copy of it and then turn around and sell your copy.
As Jay would Say [hey that rhymnes], List it and Forget it. Resell it if you can.
Look up Robert Rauschenburg [visual artist] and find the story about where he sold one of his earlier works for $185. Then decades later he was at the Sotheby’s Park and Benet Auction house when it sold for Millions. A reporter asked him if he felt cheated that he had sold it for so little and now it went for so much more. He replied, I thought it was a good price at the time. He [the customer] bought it, he owns it and he can sell it for whatever he can get for it.
We will look for it online and good luck.
Mike at MDC Galleries and Fine Arts in Atlanta
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04/15/2018 at 9:43 am #37645
My concern was mainly that it felt a little like a threat. Or maybe I’ve seen too many movies about fraternal organizations (and bikers). Luckily, the guy is in another state.
You are right, it probably is just a weirdo.
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04/15/2018 at 9:51 am #37648
I guess you have to judge the danger. I know many members of the Masonic lodge in our small town. They’re just normal, schlubby dudes. It’s not like the movies where they have magical powers and carry swords.
My advice is to keep quiet.
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04/15/2018 at 11:10 am #37650
I don’t use my home address for eBay. You never know with the weirdos out there. I rent a PO box for my ebay transactions. Although if someone wanted to find me in this day and age, it wouldn’t be too hard to do.
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04/15/2018 at 11:11 am #37651
Zach,
I know I am going against the grain here, but I would offer that you take the vest down and either keep it as a souvenir or donate it back out. Yes, I know it probably is worth alot of money, but in my opinion only, that factor is not relevant here. Selling a vest or jacket with a patch is different than selling a patch. A vest or jacket with a patch means the person was a part of the exclusive club with the patch having a particular meaning. A biker’s club is very exclusive and considered a closed entity with only members being allowed to wear a club vest or jacket. Any patch on a vest or jacket has a specific meaning and is often earned. I am surprised you were able to buy the vest at a yard sale. This is just my opinion. P.S. I used to know someone who was part of a biker’s club. This person shared that a biker’s club and membership in one is no joke.
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04/15/2018 at 11:55 am #37660
Well, the vest sold. I had a fairly reasonable price on it (but still got about 12 times return on investment), and frankly I’m glad it will be gone.
Thanks everyone for the input. Interesting to see the different viewpoints.
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04/15/2018 at 12:08 pm #37661
If you get caught up in an international Free Mason conspiracy, just let us know. I’m sure the Scavengers can help:
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04/15/2018 at 12:55 pm #37668
Well, now I get a message from a local eBay member. He previously wanted to buy the vest local pickup because he was supposedly too cheap to pay shipping. He didn’t say he was the VP of this group. Now he’s threatening legal action or something. So glad I did not offer to meet in person, as who knows how that would have gone down.
“Ok, here’s the deal, the patches on this vest areproperty of Missouri widows sons. When a brother becomes a member of the widows sons he is issued a oval and rocker, when he leaves the widows sons it is returned to the issuing state.
I tried to buy it back. This is not your oval and rocker to sell. Before you ship this to whoever bought it, it needs to be returned to the rightful owner. In the mean time I will contact eBay and explain this and see where we stand legally to get this resolved.
Best thing you could probably do would be to return it back to the state which would be myself the state Vice President and avoid any issues
Please reply back with a resolution”This is irritating. I guess I didn’t realize the sensitivity to this kind of merchandise. They should be mad at the guy who sold or gave away his vest, not me. Not sure if or how I should respond.
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04/15/2018 at 1:04 pm #37671
Silence. Once you engage, he’ll lock onto you. Let him call eBay and explain how his club is special and super secret and “no grown ups allowed”.
We listed a piece of art once that was signed by the artist. Some random person messaged us that she was his neighbor and demanded we return the art to the artist. She said she would sue us.
We ignored her. It sold. All’s well that end’s well.
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04/15/2018 at 1:06 pm #37673
And these guys dont sound like outlaw bikers: http://www.missouriws.org/about_us.php
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04/15/2018 at 1:08 pm #37674
And you can buy all kinds of stuff on eBay with their emblems:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=widows%20sons&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684 -
04/15/2018 at 1:32 pm #37679
I love that their “awesome stuff” links are both broken.
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04/15/2018 at 1:10 pm #37675
You personally aren’t bound by any agreement between the issuing club and the member who’s jacket that was. I did a quick search and there’s hundreds of Widows Sons items for sale on ebay. I’d just block this guy and carry on with your life.
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04/15/2018 at 1:17 pm #37676
I never understand these weird cases where family members, artists, club members, etc demand that you return their item that they haven’t had ownership of in years.
If they want the item, just buy it. They should be thanking you for saving it from the dump and making it available.
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04/15/2018 at 1:36 pm #37681
Regular bullies are bad enough, but there’s seriously almost nothing worse then an internet bully.
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04/15/2018 at 1:32 pm #37680
I blocked the guy and am moving on. If it was really that important to him, he would have bought it as soon as he saw it.
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04/15/2018 at 1:43 pm #37682
Zach,
I would offer that you not engage but instead call ebay in order to start the conversation with them. Be calm, focused, factual, and specific. Do not tell a story but simply identify the facts.
Just because items are sold online or in stores representing a group, does not mean the selling of the items is approved and are actually from the group. If any of us wanted to, we could go reproduce any item sold online from any group and sell it but it does not mean it was actually part of a club exerience so it does not carry as much meaning although it would be possibliy be infringing on copyright or trademark. An item from an actual club experience is a whole different thing. Just like any specialized/closed club, some members take membership and certain ensignia very personally and even consider certain items exclusive, sacred, and highly personal to the club/membership. In addition, the selling of a member’s vest sends a negative message and takes away from any trademark and/or copyright rights owned by the creator of the insignia, patches, vest etc.
I just wanted to offer that a member of a specialized/closed club would not buy what they consider to be rightfully theirs. In addition, buying it would be sending a message that it was ok to sell the vest.
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04/15/2018 at 3:15 pm #37687
My post disappeared? 🙁
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04/15/2018 at 3:17 pm #37688
Where did you put it?
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04/15/2018 at 3:19 pm #37690
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04/15/2018 at 3:21 pm #37692
Sure was. I read it. Here it is again for review.
almasty wrote:
I had one angry Rosicrucian take down like 20 Rosicrucian pamphlet lots of mine a few years ago. That still stings. I paid $100 for them and barely made my money back on them before that happened (I suspect that’s how I ended up getting them for so cheap in the first place!). I still don’t know what to do with the lots I have left, ugh.
It makes sense when it’s the literature of the organization, to an extent. I don’t understand how the patches can be considered in the same class of “belonging” to the organization as the “secret” literature could (it’s really sleep inducing stuff, and it has for the most part been reprinted repeatedly anyway).
If they do contact Ebay, you’ll probably just get an “ebay removed this item” letter from them, even if the vest has already been sold. I know it makes no sense, but I guess they just send out letters like that sometimes to protect themselves.
I bought a late 1800s/early 1900s Masonic robe several years ago off Ebay for really cheap with no problems. That one was issued by the Masonic Supply Company. I see they go for a LOT now! But anyway, they have no problem with their clothing items being resold on Ebay. This organization that tried to buy it back from you is probably just upset that they weren’t able to buy it back first. That’s why they are saying “oh, please return it to us as a gift.”
I find this sort of amusing because I’m listing through a large box of Masonic material right now. Lets see if the crazies come out for me (please don’t)!
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04/15/2018 at 3:24 pm #37694
There you go. Maybe it was the illuminati.
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04/15/2018 at 3:52 pm #37695
Oh no.. It’s got to be the Phantom of the Opera!!
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04/15/2018 at 4:11 pm #37696
Thank you, MDC!
I tried adding the Youtube link to the Stonecutters Song from the Simpsons to my original post and it vanished. They do keep the martians under wraps. 😀
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04/15/2018 at 3:22 pm #37693
If you try to edit posts too quickly, it’s been known that the system can delete the post. Try posting again.
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05/13/2018 at 9:01 pm #39807
My job has Masons that for some reason climb the ladder quickly.
I’d let these secret handshake WOO-WOO club bullies pound sand before letting them intimidate me.
Jays mantra fits once again ” Go Silent”
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